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Post by Bob on Mar 12, 2010 13:34:02 GMT -5
Don't forget to reset your log before the raid - there are people on here from other servers and other groups (including Malchion, who used to run with Dark Fist back in the day. Small world)
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Post by John on Mar 12, 2010 14:05:25 GMT -5
I popped over to Dal in between ToC and ICC. Like I said, Ordin's will be better
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Rodni
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Post by Rodni on Mar 12, 2010 19:12:34 GMT -5
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Post by Rodni on Mar 23, 2010 12:02:45 GMT -5
ICC25 with TwilightI know this isn't a Frostdonkey raid, but thought some of you might like to take a look at numbers of similiar classes/specs for comparisons. I know there are some of you out there that enjoy the theory crafting as I do.
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Post by Bob on Mar 23, 2010 12:33:27 GMT -5
I know this isn't a Frostdonkey raid, but thought some of you might like to take a look at numbers of similiar classes/specs for comparisons. I know there are some of you out there that enjoy the theory crafting as I do. I concur, it's a good idea to take a look at 25-man spreads now that you're inching towards a fully formed 25-man raid. However, there's a caveat. In my experience, DPS numbers tend to be significantly higher in a 25-man than a 10-man. I suspect this is due mostly to class composition (you're more likely to have replenishment and heroism and Rampage and Sunders and moonkin auras and Draeni, etc. in a 25 than in a 10). So, remember that it's not an apples-to-apples comparison to your numbers (don't look at the data and say "OMG mages need to pull 9k and Vigo's only pulling 4!" or anything like that. Just an example, I don't have a clue what Vanguard's mages pull).
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Post by Marky Mark on Mar 23, 2010 13:51:40 GMT -5
I know this isn't a Frostdonkey raid, but thought some of you might like to take a look at numbers of similiar classes/specs for comparisons. I know there are some of you out there that enjoy the theory crafting as I do. I concur, it's a good idea to take a look at 25-man spreads now that you're inching towards a fully formed 25-man raid. However, there's a caveat. In my experience, DPS numbers tend to be significantly higher in a 25-man than a 10-man. I suspect this is due mostly to class composition (you're more likely to have replenishment and heroism and Rampage and Sunders and moonkin auras and Draeni, etc. in a 25 than in a 10). So, remember that it's not an apples-to-apples comparison to your numbers (don't look at the data and say "OMG mages need to pull 9k and Vigo's only pulling 4!" or anything like that. Just an example, I don't have a clue what Vanguard's mages pull). I was about to make the same comments that Bob did. 10-mans do not have the completely "buff"-et for every class, whereas 25 mans are far more likely to have most (if not all) the buffs/de-buffs that a particular class gets use out of (using myself as an example, Marksmanship hunters get great mileage out of Ret Pallies and Kitty Druids, but often our 10-mans contain neither of these). I think that the bigger value in looking at what other folks are doing is seeing if your damage by attack type breakdown is similar. There will be differences based on buffs and debuffs present in the 25 man raid and not in the 10-man, but if your breakdown is in the ballpark of what other similarly specced folks are doing, chances are good that your rotation is tight.
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Post by John on Mar 25, 2010 8:59:53 GMT -5
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Post by John on Mar 25, 2010 23:12:02 GMT -5
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Post by John on Mar 29, 2010 22:43:29 GMT -5
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Post by John on Mar 31, 2010 23:16:47 GMT -5
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Post by John on Apr 2, 2010 7:33:18 GMT -5
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Post by doug (Kanwulf) on Apr 2, 2010 7:46:27 GMT -5
Ok, forgive me if I'm being stupid or something, but how are we supposed to utilize these charts, tables, and graphs? I mean is there something specific we are supposed to be looking for and how do you even read them? I looked at the Help but can't figure out what I'm supposed to be looking for in order to improve what I'm doing so I don't take a really big shot in the mouth and not wipe us.
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Post by Bob on Apr 2, 2010 8:01:22 GMT -5
Ok, forgive me if I'm being stupid or something, but how are we supposed to utilize these charts, tables, and graphs? I mean is there something specific we are supposed to be looking for and how do you even read them? I looked at the Help but can't figure out what I'm supposed to be looking for in order to improve what I'm doing so I don't take a really big shot in the mouth and not wipe us. Well, as a tank, these things are of somewhat limited utility. You can look at things like rotations, number of heroic strikes, buff/debuff uptimes, that sort of thing. DPS doesn't equal TPS, necessarily, but they're not totally unrelated, either. For instance, you threw ~230 Heroic Strikes last night, which seems a little low to me (though, in a similar run, Rock only threw ~200). You can also see what's doing the most damage to you, which might inform cooldown use and all that. Anywho, I'd better shower and go to work now.
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Post by Bob on Apr 2, 2010 9:33:04 GMT -5
And I'm at work!
As a tank, you can also use the combat logs to figure out what damage you're taking that you could (in theory, at least) avoid: Death and Decay ticks on Deathwhisper, Coldfire damage on Marrowgar, the rockets on Gunship, etc. If you're seeing buckets of damage from those kinds of sources, then you know to bring your dancing shoes next time. Over the course of a few raids, you can watch your "damage taken" decline.
It's not as cut-and-dry as "wow, looking at the charts, I can tell that Fury Ronnigan's DPS rotation is all out of whack" or "WBLATC, ICT Donnigan's using Flash of Light too much and Holy Light not enough." Tanks are funny that way.
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Post by John on Apr 7, 2010 23:05:20 GMT -5
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