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Post by mike on Jan 9, 2015 10:57:26 GMT -5
I don't think the force "just radiates off them". Vader was face to face with Leia and didn't feel the force radiating off her. It was only when Luke used the force (shut off his targeting computer) that "the force is strong with this one" happened.
The same name thing has merit. But it's *possible* Luke didn't use the last name Skywalker until he learned it from Obi-Wan and his family was murdered. Then he takes on the "alias" Skywalker both to cover his background and strike fear in his enemies since "his father was a great warrior".
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Post by John on Jan 9, 2015 11:43:55 GMT -5
Interesting theory but... "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?" "Huh? Oh... the uniform. I'm Luke Skywalker I'm here to rescue you!"
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Post by Bob on Jan 9, 2015 12:06:42 GMT -5
Well, that exchange does happen after the murdering of the family, but I think it's also the first (and maybe the only) time "Skywalker" gets used in the first movie. However, there wasn't any secret made that the Larses were Luke's aunt and uncle - just that Luke's pop wasn't Space Jesus who went bad and murdered a bunch of kids because he was kinda stupid.
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Post by mike on Jan 9, 2015 13:00:23 GMT -5
Well, that exchange does happen after the murdering of the family... Surprising when John's Star Wars trivia fails isn't it?
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Post by John on Jan 9, 2015 13:34:19 GMT -5
Mike I was considering your proposal that he took on the name Skywalker to strike fear into the heart's of the Empire after the destruction of the Death Star, when it would lend weight as his legendary feat became known across the galaxy. As Bob pointed out, the only person he mentioned his name to was Leia, hardly someone he'd want to strike fear into. And Luke had ample opportunity in the first movie, after the death of his family: "TK-421, why aren't you at your post?" "Ahm Luke Skywalker bitch! FEAR MEH!" - - - - - "Where are you taking this... thing?" "Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138." "I wasn't notified-" "That's cause ahm Luke Skyawker beeeetch! PEW PEW!" - - - - - - "Run, Luke! Run!" "Nah, ahma strike fear in dem. AHM LUKE SKYAWKER BEEEEEEEEEYOTCH!" - - - - - - - Also... Luke's father's name isn't mentioned in Episode IV. Since Luke's knows the Lars are his aunt and uncle (and not his parents), I don't think he shares their last name. So he'd need to be Luke Smith or something, the Lars are killed, then Obi Wan tells Luke his REAL name (a moment of gravity where he realizes he's the heir to a former Jedi Knight... pretty dramatic, but it takes place off camera?!), which Luke adopts in order to striker fear into the enemy (even though he's trying to go undercover and sneak the droids to Alderaan), use his newly acquired name in a moment of stress ("I'm Luke Smith, I mean Luke Skywalker, I'm here to rescue you!") but then never uses it despite having a chance to confront his father's killer on the Death Star. I dunno, seems pretty convoluted. I'd have an easier time believing Senator Palpatine manipulated the midichloriens in Shmi Skywalker to produce a vergeance in the force culminating in the birth of the most powerful force user ever, who Palpatine manipulates into being his pawn in executing the Jedi after also orchestrating a war that granted him full executive powers, a secret clone army, and a pair of secret Sith flunkies who never even knew he was a Sith Lord! INCONTHEIVABLE!
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Post by Bob on Jan 9, 2015 14:48:04 GMT -5
Right, I was saying "this exchange, which the first and only time we hear the word Skywalker in the first movie, happens after Beru and Owen get got."
That said, I don't think "Ben set a trap for Vader" holds a whole lot of water either. There isn't anything in the movie to suggest that Vader knows Luke is his son until the Emperor tells him in Empire ("the son of Skywalker must not be allowed to become a Jedi"). And, actually, I always forgot about that exchange and figured Vader figured it out during their fight - a "you only truly know someone if you fight 'em" kind of thing.
I chalk the whole "we set Episode 1 on Tattooine" thing up to "Lucas got lazy with his writing." Or maybe distilled down a bit to "Lucas is a shitty writer."
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Post by John on May 4, 2015 15:56:32 GMT -5
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Post by Bob on May 11, 2015 9:47:45 GMT -5
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Post by John on Jul 21, 2015 8:53:49 GMT -5
Found this little snippet in the discussion of the making of "Star Wars: The Force Unleashed" game.
“The team threw a Hail Mary to George, saying the game would have more credibility if the apprentice had a ‘Darth’ title,” a Force Unleashed team member says. Lucas agreed that this situation made sense for Sith royalty, and offered up two Darth titles for the team to choose from. “He threw out ‘Darth Icky’ and ‘Darth Insanius.’ There was a pregnant pause in the room after that. People waiting for George to say ‘just kidding,’ but it never comes, and he just moved on to another point.”
Icky.
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Post by Bob on Jul 21, 2015 9:55:56 GMT -5
Found this little snippet in the discussion of the making of "Star Wars: The Force Unleashed" game. “The team threw a Hail Mary to George, saying the game would have more credibility if the apprentice had a ‘Darth’ title,” a Force Unleashed team member says. Lucas agreed that this situation made sense for Sith royalty, and offered up two Darth titles for the team to choose from. “He threw out ‘Darth Icky’ and ‘Darth Insanius.’ There was a pregnant pause in the room after that. People waiting for George to say ‘just kidding,’ but it never comes, and he just moved on to another point.” Icky. See, this is one of those stories that could go either way. Either: Lucas was just messing with everyone in the room, and people see that as "man, Lucas is a gong show" because of the prequels. Like, clearly he was kidding about Darth Icky. Clearly. Lucas is a gong show. Clearly he was deadly serious about Darth Icky. Clearly.
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Post by Marky Mark on Jul 21, 2015 22:18:12 GMT -5
Or, maybe he just doesn't give a shit anymore. I imagine he's pretty bitter about the prequel panning.
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Post by John on Aug 18, 2015 13:04:25 GMT -5
Kenner almost made a Mala. "Itchy! Lumpy! They're all here!"
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Post by Bob on Aug 19, 2015 13:54:24 GMT -5
Also, just because
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Post by John on Oct 19, 2015 10:14:56 GMT -5
Saw the new poster. Hmmm. Third time's the charm, eh IMPERIAL BATTLE STATION BUILDER?
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Post by Bob on Oct 20, 2015 21:35:18 GMT -5
Saw the new poster. Hmmm. Third time's the charm, eh IMPERIAL BATTLE STATION BUILDER? Unfortunately, this board is now blocked at work, along with all the usual suspects (gmail, facebook, etc.). Haven't downloaded the app yet. So, that trailer was pretty enticing. It didn't really change my "cautiously optimistic" stance, though maybe to move the needle closer to "optimistic" - I'm still seeing the movie in the theater some time after opening night. Thoughts?
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